Cushman, Kathleen. Fires in the Bathroom: Advice for Teachers from High School Students. The New Press: New York, 2003.
Fires in the Bathroom is essentially a summary of a series of interviews with high school students in the Bay Area giving feedback about their educational experiences. The author, Kathleen Cushman, works for a non-profit called What Kids Can Do, Inc that advocates for students. Her work aims to give a voice to students’ opinion and insight on the high school experience. This book is written as a narrative directed towards teachers that primarily communicates through quotes by students lumped by how they relate to common classroom challenges.
The following is the student-made teacher job description that gives a concise view of the book’s tone:
“Wanted: One teacher. Must be able to listen, even when mad.
"Must have a sense of humor’ must not make students feel bad about themselves; must be fair and treat some students better than others; must know how to make schoolwork interesting; must keep some students from picking on others; must let students take a break sometimes; must not jump to conclusions must let students know them; must get to know students; must encourage students when they have a hard time; must tell students if they do a good job or try really hard; must not scream; must not call home unless it’s really important; must smile; must help students with their problems if they ask for help; must not talk about students to other people; must be patient; must really know what they are teaching; if it’s a lady, it would be good if she is pretty.”
The students quoted in Fires in the Bathroom candidly express their opinions about what they think constitutes good pedagogy and their interpretation of teacher actions. The main message that I got from the students was that they needed teachers to be fair, understanding, and to communicate clearly. They expressed their frustration at being in an in-between phase and struggling to feel understood. One student put it bluntly, “we’re some moody-ass people right now.”
Cushman was able to take all of this raw feedback and create a couple of reflection forms that allow teachers to test themselves to see how they measured up to the students’ standards. These exercises are certainly one of the greatest assets of the book and the most constructive aspect.
My biggest complaint with this book is that it sets up an impossible standard for teachers and only haphazardly acknowledges student responsibility. Reading between the lines, I got the distinct impression that some of these students are regularly defiant, disrespectful and disruptive. These same students were happy to preach about how teachers should act, but lacked insight about how they could have controlled their own actions. This indicates to me that this book follows the current trend that gives all legal and social power to students and strips teachers of (what ought to be) their inherent authority.
Granted not every teacher tries hard enough to be fair or respectful of his students, but there is a reality between being cruel and being human. One student condemned their teacher for mistaking them for talking in class when it was their neighbor- an error that happened quite some time ago that he had yet to forive. If you are teacher doing the best that you can, sometimes you mistake which voice you hear and correct the wrong student, but that hardly negates your value as an instructor. The book seemed to be sending the message to students that it is right for them to disrespect teachers for that kind of simple mistake only furthers their conviction that they ought t have all of the power.
It also belittled teachers because the students seemingly assumed that teachers would never have enough sense to look past adolescent actions to a more serious cause. Additionally, I felt like I was waiting for entire book for one student to acknowledge the perpetual contradiction amongst students’ opinions and the paradox of “fairness” when that idea exists in the interpretation of every individual student. While that line never came, it did give me inspiration to include it in my discussions with my own students. I am sure that not all of them think that I am fair, but they might benefit from a reminder that all actions in the classroom are not centered on them. It is easy for teenagers to get hung up on things not being fair, but they ought to be approaching the age when they can understand why “fair” is not always “the same”.
The message I ached to send back to these teens was that they also need be understanding and communicate clearly. Being an adolescent is challenging but it does not stop you from striving for maturity and working to improve yourself. Pretending that your age gives you license for low standards for yourself will not lead to growth or success. Instead of boasting about how you avoid work or dwelling on feeling dumb: do your work and you may be surprised how smart you feel!
Thursday, March 18, 2010
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First and foremost I wanted to read this book! Arrgghh. I think this book is extremely important as we try to make connections with our students, especially high school students. Although we can now look back at our high school careers and make an attempt to connect with our students, we are still looking from an adult lens. I think this book gives an look at how students are feeling NOW. I think it was important to point out that the book shies away from holding students responsible for their actions. Great Job! I hope to find the time to read this book.
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ReplyDeleteIt sounds fascinating to see what a kid really thinks a teacher should be. Sometimes on my feedback evaluation, I wonder also if the kids really know what constitutes good teaching. This is half meant as a slight towards students lack of maturity and a developed sense to reflect on what really makes a good teacher, but also on their lack of experience with good teachers. They might simply not know what good teaching looked like. Thinking back to my high school days, the bad teachers were the ones who didn't know what they were talking about, but I don't think I could have given them the steps to improve. Tough to say, I will take some of these suggestions and put them into play in my classroom thogh
I agree with Glen. I don't think that most students could tell you what constitutes "good teaching." With my freshmen I would say most of them would tell me that the good teachers are the ones who are nice and don't get them in trouble. A lot of their perspectives have nothing to do with how much they are actually learning. I think it is a big problem in our society that students do not take responsibility for their own education and like to pass the blame to others such as teachers. Sadly I think there is a trend that parents are more often blaming teachers instead of their own children as well.
ReplyDeleteI appreciate the frustration with a culture (and media) that seems to place all responsibility and blame on the teacher for any learning breakdowns. It is unfair.
ReplyDeleteThat said, I read this book as a voice given to students' frustrations from their - admittedly skewed, naive and often inconsistent - perspective. While not always necessary to agree with, important to understand developmentally, psychologically. If only to help them learn to step outside of their own point of view.
I am with Crystal; I also wanted to read this book. I'll leave out the "Ahhhhh", since it sounds like I would have also ended the book a bit frustrated about the unequal placement of accountability. Regardless, I loved the tone of the book, and nearly laughed out loud after reading the excerpt about a teacher's job description. I think that this book addresses a struggle that many educators face: where do we draw the line when it comes to student accountability? How much is too much?
ReplyDeleteI disagree and agree with a couple of the comments posted so far. I disagree with the notion that our own students wouldn't be able to tell us what a good teacher is. Granted, we all have different kids, but they've been in school for anywhere from 6-12 years by now. They've had plenty of time to experience different teachers and decide what works and what doesn't. The teachers of the students who made that "job description" probably feel the same way that we do about ours, especially if those were the disruptive kids. As we all know by now, knowing what a good teacher is and being able to do it are two different things, but that's not what's being asked of the kids. I agree with Jim, I see the book as more of an entertaining insight into a high school student's mind, not a chance for them to step out of their tumultuous social and academic lives and step into our shoes.
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ReplyDeleteI think the discussion regarding this book so far has been extremely invigorating! Let me add my 2 cents to the mix. While I agree with Carrie that the law and society in general have cut students way too many breaks at the expense of teachers, I think we sometimes don't give our kids enough credit either. When I talk to my students about the problems they see at our school, some of their comments reveal just how intuitive they are. In other words, they have a general idea of what constitutes good teaching, primarily in the form of who the good and bad teachers at our school are. They also recognize those teachers who are at least trying. Sometimes effort goes a long way in students (and parents') books. That being said, the question remains: is this "teacher wish list" farfetched? I would say it is a bit (especially for first-year teachers), but it also represents a higher standard that we should hold all teachers to. After all, we would expect nothing less from our own students.
I laughed at the "if it's a lady, it would be good if she is pretty" comment. Overall, though, your reflection about students needing to hold themselves accountable is very true too. It can be crazy to learn how much students expect of you while they do not hold themselves to the same standards. Loved your last paragraph of reflection, I'm thinking of sharing that with my students if that's okay with you!
ReplyDeleteBeing in classrooms for 6-12 years, I truly believe our students know what good teaching looks like. They make have trouble articulating it, and at times there maturity may prevent them from expressing it, however I think our students know what teachers put them in the bet position to succeed.
ReplyDeleteWith that said, I think that many of the students in the Waianae area aren't being exposed to excellent teaching as often as students in other areas. I know personally at my school, 4 out of the 5 7th grade core subject teachers are first or second year teachers. And although it is unfair to generalize all young teachers as inferior to their veteran counterparts, I think it is only realistic to assume they most likely haven't reached their full potential as educators.
I would agree with mr. c that students know what a good teacher looks like. It sounds like Carrie has really given the entries in the book significant thought. While reading entries from such "at risk" students might be beneficial, I feel that it places too much of the blame on schools and not enough on parents and the community as a whole. Where were the parents when these children were acting up? The causes of such misbehavior could not have been entirely centered around schools. It sounds like this book is a soap box for misbehaving children to preach against the archetypes that have more than likely earned fairly from their conduct in school
ReplyDeleteHi Carrie, nice summary and analysis. I especially liked how you didn't take the student opinions at face value. While a teacher can do a lot in the classroom I agree with you in that students need to take some responsibility. Like Mr. Mutell, I agree with Mr. C in that students can recognize what it takes to be an effective teacher. Great job Carrie
ReplyDeleteJust the title of this book alone catches me. Plus the fact that it is from the perspective of bay area students is really fascinating to me. I hate that I cannot remember the things my teachers did that I thought were great or horrible when I was in school. Because I'd hate to be doing the things I hated, and I'd love to be sharing things with my kids that I know worked when it was taught to me. I actually try to ask kids and even adults (outside of my own school) who was your favorite teacher and why? I know we can easily get tunnel vision and not realize the way we come across to our kids.
ReplyDeleteSounds like a fun book. I like the fact that it takes the best critics, students - who are in the process, to figure out the best practices and behaviors of a teacher. Its as if they asked the person who was in need what they needed instead of just guessing based off of studies. Genius.
ReplyDeleteAmen Carrie, I think these students need to suck it up like every student who gets an education does, and figure out a way to learn. My dad always told me when I would complain about teachers that I'd only be hurting myself to let a teacher get in between me and my education. I agree with Jim that this book should be read with the intention of developing a better understanding of how students think.
ReplyDeleteGreat summary Carrie! It must have been great to read what students actually said they wanted their teachers to be like! Thank you for quoting so much valuable text. While the students do need to suck it up for sure, it must have been nice to hear what students need from the actual mouths of students. I feel like I've been told what students want and need from just about everyone BUT the students themselves so I think it must've been an interesting read.
ReplyDeleteI really like both the summary and analysis. I agree that student perspectives are so important and I know that I'm guilty of jumping to conclusions in certain instances, but I have the same critique as you do. I am still unsure about how to show students that I do care and that I am invested in them, while holding them accountable for their actions and not letting them off the hook when they need to learn responsibility. I also go back and forth thinking about caring for them as people while teaching them to get through tough situations- skills they will need for the rest of their lives.
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